Covid-19 vaccine may be mandatory in Portugal

I agree, Olga Lopes, it is very unsettling. Many US states have mandatory vaccines, though. I don't think the authorities are going to hunt us down and attack us with the vaccine, but they will prevent us from going to shops, schools, public transportation, airports, beaches etc. unless we obey. The compulsory mask is just another way they have gradually started to take away our individual freedom.

By Stine from Algarve on 28 Aug 2020, 09:49

There are rights and duties. Every citizen has the right of health care, but every citizen also has the duty of participating in this health care.
In order to keep a public healthy everybody should have the duty to receive and the right to receive the vaccine which of course must be secure and without any traceable devices (as stated in some reports).

By Winny Bach from Algarve on 28 Aug 2020, 10:00

All flu of the future will now be Corona. Every year it is compulsory to get a (non-working) vaccine and a compulsory vaccination passport. That's the plan. I didn't come up with it, just read the links.

https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/TheRockefellerFoundation_ExecutiveSummary_7_20.pdf

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/covid-19-passport-app-health-travel-covidpass-quarantine-event/

By Pedro from Lisbon on 28 Aug 2020, 10:36

I spent 20 yrs. in the Military...Let me tell you about Vaccines...Nobody, and I mean Nobody is in Control of Your Health, You are...You make Vaccines Mandatory And You Will See A Mass Exodus from Portugal or Worse...Vamos!

By Sakamoto Saurez from Lisbon on 28 Aug 2020, 11:02

THIS APPROACH IS IN VIOLATION OF ONE'S HUMAN RIGHTS WITH RESPECT TO THEIR HEALTH AND WHAT ENTERS THEIR BODY. IT WILL TAKE 15 YEARS AT A MINIMUM TO CERTIFY SUCH A COV-19 VACCINE. ONE GLOVES DO NOT FIT ALL. THE PORTUGUESE ECONOMY WILL SUFFER IF THIS RULING BECOMES MANDATORY.

By Ricardo Horta from Lisbon on 28 Aug 2020, 11:44

I have been planning to retire to Portugal for a year now. I am waiting to see if there will be a mandatory vaccine in Europe and in Portugal. I can tell you that if there is, forget Portugal. If one does any kind of reading outside the regular press which will never divulge the truth, it is scary what Gates and company intend to put en these vaccines. There is no logic to the vaccine as there is no logic in shutting down the world economy for something less deadly than the flue. Please Portugal, do not go down this road.

By Bob from Other on 28 Aug 2020, 12:46

Never never, I refuse to take poison, which is the vaccine. Surely they put a chip in the vaccine so that they can follow every step we take. I would rather die than take this vaccine. If the vaccine becomes mandatory, then I will move from Portugal, unfortunately. But I am afraid that everyone in the EU will be forcibly vaccinated, that is part of the plan. It is no coincidence that 5G is now being launched for real. Monitoring the people.

By Kathryyn from Algarve on 28 Aug 2020, 13:45

Is everyone in comments hear a crazy anti-vaxer QAnon supporter? The vaccine is being developed by Oxford University. All societies in times of great emergencies require things of citizens they wouldn't require. otherwise. https://jornaleconomico.sapo.pt/en/news/oxford-university-says-vaccine-available-in-December-602219

By Adrian Lesher from USA on 28 Aug 2020, 15:56

The moral of this article is not merely about getting the vaccine or not. It is about something much greater than that .This is about the abolishment of our basic human rights and the slaying of our freedom in a democracy, Now this is how SERIOUS it is !

By Brett Wilson from Lisbon on 28 Aug 2020, 16:48

If vaccines become mandatory, many foreign residents and Portuguese will refuse and leave Portugal. Everyone reading this please watch THE TRUTH ABOUT VACCINES, which, in the case of are highly toxic. I, nor anyone in my family will consent to forced vaccination EVER without knowing what they contain, and wether they re at all safe and effective, which they are NOT.

By Ana Fonte Seca from Lisbon on 28 Aug 2020, 17:40

I can not believe in this nonsense. We will always be free individuals and we have the right to choose what is the best for us, nobody can take our essence away, as long we Love ourselves, we are spiritually beings living a human experiencing and if they think for one second that they have more wisdom than the Universe, they are fulling themselves. I wish Love to those people who are blind because of money, power and sadly will never experience the beauty of life.

By IURI GRAVITO from Lisbon on 29 Aug 2020, 01:02

Don't forget: Portugal is less than 50 years from when it was a dictatorship. The government is highly Socialist and continues to get pushed further Left. If you don't make the stops now, it will be too late. The generations that lived in the dictatorship and comfortable with it are still alive and voting that way.

By Dan from Lisbon on 29 Aug 2020, 03:51

Those that defend the vaccine take it! Go for it! If you take you are protected, let others do as they please!
Nobody has the right to impose anything on anybody! We are born free and own our bodies. Any fascist goverment that tries to impose a vaccine is stirling up trouble.
This vaccine is dangerous and a Mutilation. No vaccine can be instantly produced. Why do pharmaceutical companies want legislation to protect them from liability? Use your bain if you have one!
No vaccine for me! We need Civil Disobedience!

By Ana Tavares from Other on 29 Aug 2020, 16:01

Well if castration becomes mandatory I will certainly be leaving otherwise the head of health is just trying to get a job in Brussels and Cut of covi sales from big pharma
And I love Portugal

By Arthur ocheltree from Alentejo on 29 Aug 2020, 16:37

"GET UP, STAND UP, FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS". I will not take any vaccine, and I'm the only one to decide. Not any government will decide in my behalf!

By Peter Tosh from Lisbon on 30 Aug 2020, 00:33

My cat has a chip on her back so they will always know where she is, she already had the chip when I got her at 1 year old, that is what they want to do to us through this vaccine , so they can control us. Adrian Lesher you sir are an idiot.

By Maria from USA on 30 Aug 2020, 01:58

The funny thing about this comments is that 99% of the people complaining are immigrants, I bet you believe that the Earth is flat and the man never arrived on the moon. Its sickening being in 2020 and still have to deal with people so dumb that they fall prey to such narratives.

I do completely agree that making a vacine mandatory without any long term studies of its effect is completely wrong, but i do trust they will make the right decision in the end, Portugal public health service is pretty good compared from what i've experienced around the world.

By Bruno Miguel Silveirinha Pinheiro from Alentejo on 30 Aug 2020, 07:07

In Nazi Germany everything was mandatory or else......

By Felix Leisinger from Algarve on 30 Aug 2020, 09:44

I will never ever take a vaccine. None can force me to do that????

By Eva Hörne from Algarve on 30 Aug 2020, 13:02

What's at stake here is not merely the sacrifices a society has to make in a time of healthcare and economic crisis, but the length we are willing to go to by abdicating basic rights, one of which is the right of ownership of our own bodies, in exchange for safety (a false sense, maybe?). Here's a kicker: if some, or a lot, of people are afraid to get the virus, then all they have to do is voluntarily take the vaccine; then they'll (supposedly) be safe; so why force EVERYBODY to take it? It makes no logical sense, unless there's an underlying motive behind forced vaccinations. I'll leave this last riddle up to your scrutiny.

By InB4Ddoom from Algarve on 30 Aug 2020, 16:29

Yes, -- to all those who said "strange how all anti vaccine comments are from non Portuguese people": Interesting, isn't it?
I have in no other country witnessed that BLIND following and extreme repetition from people of the state progaganda in regard to wearing face masks, as in Portugal. It is very much a group country, and I didn't talk to a single Portuguese person who had researched facts for themselves independently from international media, to make up their own minds. All Portuguese people I have talked to just blindly followed the rules, and repeated the public narration, and "reasoning". So, maybe research for yourselves from different sources how EXACTLY vaccines are being created, and how they work, and also about vaccine history, which is one of the darkest in all human history.
Even then, you cannot know about long term side effects. Noone can after this short time.

By Ava from Lisbon on 31 Aug 2020, 12:37

According to the Portuguese, here on this forum, as a foreigner you are not allowed to have critique or have an opinion about this possible measure. Thank you in advance for making me aware about this.
This is not about a vaccine but about the way in which this measure would be taken. What about the tourist ? Would they need also a vaccination.
This surprised me a lot in a democratic country, like Portugal is.

By W.Gevaert from Algarve on 31 Aug 2020, 13:41

People who are shaming anti vax folks are ridiculous and it shows that they did literally zero research. You think that you're smart but you know that you didn't look into it at all. So how can you claim anything? Based on what? Nothing.

Research:
- How long an average vaccine takes to make (hint: it can't be made in 1-2 years)
- Bill Gates's vaccine biz background and damage he did already for example in India
- Pharma is a billion $$$ business, someone will make insane money on this
- Bill Gates's speaches where he literally says that he wants to kill most people through things like vaccines
- Who's funding the WHO, background of heads of the WHO
- Someone wants to FORCE you to take a liquid in your blood. You don't stop for a second to think why? You don't think they have an agenda if they want to make sure you get it? Especially cause it's for a common flu (covid has complications on the level of a regular basic flu)

By M. Lopes from Porto on 31 Aug 2020, 15:55

Mr Elon Musk just successfully implanted an AI chip into a living pig ... It doesn’t take a genius to imagine who they are thinking of implanting it into next ! Rocket science no more, it’s all in a day’s work by our beloved and trusted technocrats !

By P. Soares from Alentejo on 03 Sep 2020, 00:01

IM and SQ vaccines are designed to stimulate a large IgG response, this is not immunity. Only oral vaccines introduced across the integument allows for the production and wedding of an innate, cellular and humoral response. Immunity occurs when a small number of self replicating exosomes which we call viruses come in contact first with our microbiome which extends several feet from our bodies.

If you have a healthy biome, the microbes will modify their viral signaling by such signaling as altering transmembrane protein complexes, the proteome which surrounds the RNA, or sharing its own microRNA. The microbiome can alter the activity, pathogenicity - so that the integumentary immune system is never even stimulated. Then, we share these new less pathogenic species with others. Herd Immunity.

If our microbiome can not alter it and the integumentary innate, cellular and humoral immune responses are stimulated, a healthy person may develop local IgA antibodies, but still only a portion of the time. This is the most reliable test we have for healthy people developing an immune response, but is only done experimentally Switzerland as far as I know.

Only persons with some moderate to severe level of immune and metabolic deficit will actually become very ill. A fraction of very ill persons will develop IgG measurable in the serum. However, this immune response is very costly to the immune system and costly for the metabolic system to clean up. It is immune dysregulation to make very large IgG responses and with COVIDS species ( there are tens of thousands circulating at a given time, 8 thousand documented in labs) this means large inflammatory responses that cause organ pathology --pulmonary, cardiac, renal and neurological. Forcing persons who are already immune ( likely the majority by now) or are healthy to get a vaccine that forces a large IgG response is dangerous. In fact, for the past 18 years of SARS-CoV vaccine research, re-exposure to the virus after vaccination caused pulmonary pathology, thus it was not developed. We have not received any data of the re-exposure to the virus under current studies. To my knowledge they have not been conducted.

A more appropriate approach if we were actually seeking health and infectious disease prevention, would be to support basic immunity which means having adequate levels of zinc, magnesium, vitamin D, A and C, selenium...(of course all the other micronutrients, but these above are often the most depleted in communities) and then expose those who were interested to any of the less pathogenic subspecies we have going around now. That would be not wearing a mask and go about being a human again. Those who are sicker and afraid, could then ask for an oral live- attenuated, if you feel more comfortable with a pharmaceutical company making a particular genotype. Of course, they have no idea what they are doing in terms of altering the proteome or less explored aspects of the genome.

What is the most concerning piece of all this media and political mandates discussion is in light of the fact that we know most people have been exposed as face masks do not stop the spread as the viruses live all over microbiome and integument so it gets left everywhere we go. Also, we had covids several months before shelter in place here in the US. Also, the death count is not elevated any longer. In fact, if you average, even in the US, the total number of deaths in the first 8 months of 2019 (before covid) was higher than the first 8 months of 2020 (during covid). So, we have most people already immune, why are we mandating vaccines at all?

By Sarah from USA on 08 Sep 2020, 23:20

Bom, pelo menos, de acordo com os comentários, ao menos os atrasados mentais dos anti-Vaxxers que cá estão a viver metem-se no caralho, só por isso já vale a pena

By Oscar Alho from Lisbon on 18 Sep 2020, 00:14

The idea behind this is so ridiculously fascist that I don't believe it will be carried out.

If, however, the Portuguese government will actually come so low as to make such a bad decision, they will not only undermine democracy in Portugal and as a whole, they will also guarantee that there will be violence and open rebellion in Portugal.

I know this, because I am Portuguese, and in such a scenario, I would be on the forefront of said violence and open rebellion, and would make it personally sure that at least a few government members would not go on living to witness the results of such a bad decision.

It's a promise.

By Dondoca from Lisbon on 18 Sep 2020, 19:52

“If the vaccine is, in fact, extremely effective and the added value for public health is very large, it can be considered a mandatory vaccination...."
Lets examine some logic here. The movie is so damn good that we will issue an order to buy the tickets mandatory. Makes sense right? I thought if something is that good you do not need to convince people with a mandatory law. They all should run and get it because it is so good. But obviously not in the minds of satanic ruling elites.

By Prometey Bezkrilov from Other on 12 Oct 2020, 18:52

It would be helpful if a Portuguese lawyer could comment here about the legality of such mandates under the Portuguese Constitution of 1976 with 2005 amendments. As I read the articles, basic human rights are to be protected even during emergencies. Individual consent to a vaccine should fall under that umbrella. The mere suggestion that a vaccine could be mandatory should already be triggering legal challenges in Portugal to ensure there are no constitutional infringements. Regardless of our positions on vaccines, we should all work together to protect our personal and constitutional freedoms, and to stop tyranny wherever it rears its head (including under the pretext of public health).

By Eric from USA on 23 Dec 2020, 22:20

My brother who is 89 and has lived in Portugal for thirty years has just been charged 80 Euros for his Covid jab, 'Universal and free'? It is in England even if your a Portuguese national, as it should be if we're to stamp out this awful decease.

By Robert T Wood from UK on 03 Jul 2021, 16:45